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HIST 441&#13;
Dr. Friss&#13;
11 April 2017&#13;
Delawder Interview Transcript&#13;
Alex Whitehurst: So, I am here, it is March 24th, 2017. I am here with Mr. Teddy Delawder,&#13;
and we are in Mt. Jackson Virginia, correct?&#13;
Teddy Delawder: Correct.&#13;
AW: Well thank you so much for being here. My name is Alex Whitehurst, the interviewer, and&#13;
I really appreciate you taking the time to tell us about your life experiences, your story, and learn&#13;
something about Bird Haven, because that’s why we’re here. So I guess my first question, to&#13;
start off, would be: are you from this area?&#13;
TD: Yes.&#13;
AW: And you have lived here your whole life?&#13;
TD: Except for the time I was in the service, and then I lived in Arizona for a couple years, and&#13;
then I lived in Roanoke for about fifteen years, and then I moved back up here.&#13;
AW: So your childhood was here?&#13;
TD: Oh, yeah.&#13;
AW: And what was that like?&#13;
TD: Not very eventful (laughs). When I was a boy growing up, there wasn’t anything around&#13;
here like it is today. On the weekends, for fun, we’d just, couple of us boys would just…today&#13;
they call it hiking. We just called it running away from home. We used to walk up to the top of&#13;
the mountain. We used to go down to the old dodge place, and that was the place where Bird&#13;
Haven stored toys that weren’t sold. Basically, the toys that I remember were boats, great big&#13;
boxes of boats, and we used to get those boats now and then and take them down to the creek&#13;
and float them down the creek down towards Stony Creek. I don’t know, maybe they’re down in&#13;
the Chesapeake Bay now, I don’t know (laughs).&#13;
AW: So these were miniature boats?&#13;
TD: Yes, very, they were small. I don’t know, maybe, less than a foot long, thereabouts. And&#13;
they had two different styles. One was like a barge, like it was just a square across the front,&#13;
square across the back, and just straight on the side. Then it had a palette-house right on the&#13;
deck of the boat. And they had, as I remember, dowels at each corner. And then they had&#13;
another one that was shaped more like a boat, a ship, where it was pointed in the front, the bow,&#13;
and then tapered back, and it had a palette-house, and I can’t remember if it had a chimney stack&#13;
on it or not, but there were two different styles. I always like the ship-looking one better than the&#13;
barge. They both floated well (laughs). The dodge barn is no longer there. It was tore down&#13;
years ago. But when were kids, it was almost tore down then. It was dilapidated. But that was,&#13;
on the weekends that’s what we did a lot. We just, we’d walk. Just visit different things around,&#13;
you know, a couple of us boys. No girls involved. There wasn’t a girl within two miles of me&#13;
growing up that wasn’t my cousin, so no girls (laughs).&#13;
AW: And your grandfather was the one who worked at Bird Haven, is that correct?&#13;
&#13;
�TD: No, I don’t know how many of my relatives may have worked there. I know that my&#13;
granddad had some pieces of furniture that were made at Bird Haven, but I don’t know exactly&#13;
how he got it. I know one of his daughters did work at Bird Haven, my aunt. My aunt that&#13;
worked at Bird Haven worked in the department where they varnished stuff, and she was&#13;
pregnant when she worked there. She had a daughter that was born with birth defects. And that&#13;
daughter is still alive, although she was never a total person. Even as a young girl, she didn’t&#13;
have any mentality. She’s still alive, but now she’s, and she never spoke, she made sounds and&#13;
all. But she’s totally blind, I believe, and she’s been in a nursing facility in Charlottesville for a&#13;
good long time, and she’s probably a couple years younger than I am, and I’m seventy-three, so&#13;
she’s probably close to seventy or so now. But they think that maybe the work she did caused&#13;
the birth defects. No proof. My dad, well back to my granddad, when my granddad, they had a&#13;
sale, personal property, and granddad had a set of dishes from Shenandoah Community Workers,&#13;
which is what Bird Haven was called. It was like an eight or twelve place setting of china and all&#13;
kinds things to go along with that. Tea cups and saucers, and the auctioneer was going to sell it&#13;
as one bulk piece, and so many people wanted to have a piece of that history, cause that’s the&#13;
only set that I ever saw. We talked him into selling it a piece at a time. It bought a little bit more&#13;
money than it would have it would’ve been bought…&#13;
AW: I would imagine.&#13;
TD: And I know…to show you how silly some people can be, I’ve got a couple of cracked tea&#13;
cups and cracked saucers, but I got them. There were some, I don’t know what they would call&#13;
them, but they were things that you put jam in, with a little spoon. They weren’t very big,&#13;
something like that, perhaps, and I think we got two or three of those that came in a set of them.&#13;
But we have those that we bought at that sale. And he had some other things, and then my wife,&#13;
she goes on the internet all the time, and anytime she finds something for sale from Bird Haven&#13;
she’ll bid on it. As a matter of fact, one of you guys interviewed with some people in Ortney,&#13;
and her mom worked at Bird Haven when she was, I don’t know if she was even alive then, but&#13;
her mom worked there, and she made puzzles. Bird Haven made wooden jigsaw puzzles back in&#13;
those days. My wife had a jigsaw puzzle from Bird Haven that she had bought someplace&#13;
online. And then we have some bowls and things like that we’ve gotten off the internet.&#13;
Whenever we go out and see a sale, any place that they have things like that, if it’s reasonable,&#13;
we’ll get it. They didn’t just make toys, although it was called the Toy Factory. It had Bird&#13;
Haven, Shenandoah Community Workers, Toy Factory. They made different things. I&#13;
remember they had birds, like cardinals and robins that were just on a stick that you stuck in the&#13;
ground in your yard. And I remember, as a boy, you’d see those around different people’s&#13;
homes and stuff. As a matter of fact, I think we have one or two of those, too, that we got&#13;
someplace. My granddad had a fold-up table, and it was kind of dilapidated when we got it, but&#13;
it was a memory of my granddad in Bird Haven. We have that. I don’t remember what year&#13;
Bird Haven closed down from making anything, but the last things I know that they did&#13;
manufacture was bowls, salad bowls. They had different size bowls, and then they had&#13;
individual salad bowls, and then bigger ones, and wooden spoons. One of the guys that worked&#13;
there worked in the department, I say department, it was a small, standalone, cinderblock&#13;
building where they had two lathes in there, and he and another fellow would make those bowls.&#13;
I remember, as a kid, going in there and watching them on the lathe. It was fascinating to watch&#13;
how artistic they could be with a lathe and all and turned out the bowls. The other thing that&#13;
Bird Haven did when I was a boy was, there was no place around here where you could go and&#13;
have lumber planed. A lot of the old buildings and all around here you would see, the lumber in&#13;
&#13;
�them would be rough lumber. It wasn’t planed or anything, it was rough from the sawmill. And&#13;
if you wanted it planed off, you had to go someplace to get it done. I know that Bird Haven used&#13;
to do that, to some extent, for people. I don’t know how much they were willing to do at one&#13;
time or how large of pieces you could do or anything, but I know…I was about twelve or&#13;
thirteen, and my dad was building a house, and I remember that we got some lumber planed,&#13;
then, for the house that we built. I say “we” because I dug a lot of the footers for it. That was&#13;
one of the other things they would do, you know, just for the community. There was a post&#13;
office there at Bird Haven. As a matter of fact, I meant to look on by birth certificate, I think my&#13;
birth certificate says I was born in Bird Haven.&#13;
AW: Really?&#13;
TD: Because that was the post office. And I can remember the mail carrier had a van, well it&#13;
wasn’t called a van then…whatever they were called back then, multiple-passenger vehicle, and&#13;
that’s what he used to go to town and get the mail and bring it back. Mr. Will was his name. He&#13;
used to go down there to Bird Haven, to the post office. I don’t know when they actually closed&#13;
the post office, at Bird Haven and then finally moved it to Basye, but that’s the address of it now.&#13;
AW: You talked a lot about how the people around here are interested in collecting the things&#13;
from Bird Haven, buying them online and at these estate sales and things. Do you know why&#13;
there’s so much interest in them?&#13;
TD: It’s local. It’s local stuff, and I guess back, during the war, that time period, that was one of&#13;
the places that stayed in business. I hear a lot of people talking about the female of the family&#13;
working there, so, you know, like my aunt did, and I know some other people, their mothers&#13;
worked there. It’s just, it’s local, and of interest to people. At least, I think that’s why. My wife&#13;
is too young for her to remember Bird Haven, but she’s still interested in the Bird Haven stuff.&#13;
So, whenever we can get the opportunity, we’ll buy a piece. And sometimes we don’t even&#13;
realize that’s what it is until we get it and look at it. Sometimes, they had a stamp of some type&#13;
on the bottom. It may have been a paper label. Every now and then, you’ll see a metal-type tag,&#13;
and sometimes it’s just burnt into the wood, “Bird Haven.” I don’t know to what extent&#13;
Shenandoah Community Workers was, but I do know that, like that china, that was actually the&#13;
name on the china. I wrote down a couple of things I wanted to be sure to mention. I don’t&#13;
know if you guys will be the ones that talk with a guy named Richard Barb. Richard’s dad,&#13;
Stuart Barb, was the fellow that ran the lathe, and Stuart is about two years older than I am. If&#13;
anyone remembers things firsthand, I believe it might be Richard, because he was a little older&#13;
than me, and his dad worked there, and their home was adjacent to Bird Haven. I don’t know if&#13;
it was on the Bird Haven property or not, but I know that you had to go past the Toy Factory to&#13;
get to their house. That was the only access that they had, so it may have been part of Bird&#13;
Haven proper. Richard will probably know as much as anybody about the things. That’s the&#13;
extent of my notes (laughs).&#13;
AW: You talked about how you would go and watch them working sometimes. Was it kind of&#13;
open? Like could the kids walk through the work area?&#13;
TD: Well, I guess they had two doors, but it was a small building, probably it wasn’t twelve by&#13;
twelve. I can’t remember if it had any windows in the front of it or not, but that lathes faced the&#13;
one wall, and when you walked in you would be behind the lathes, or in front of the lathes I&#13;
guess, actually, and the worker would be in front of you as you faced that wall. They had two&#13;
lathes in there, side by side. So there wasn’t, you really didn’t walk through and…you know,&#13;
they would run it a little bit while you were in there, but you couldn’t talk or anything because of&#13;
the noise that the lathe made, you know the motor and the cutting the wood. I think that they&#13;
&#13;
�used maple, for the most part, for the bowls and stuff they made. At least that’s what it looked&#13;
like. Usually, when it was varnished, it was a dark color. I guess food-grade varnish, whatever.&#13;
AW: Is the building you’re talking about the main building? You said that there was&#13;
something…&#13;
TD: No.&#13;
AW: This was an auxiliary building?&#13;
TD: The building where they planed the lumber was a separate building, the building where the&#13;
post office was was a separate building, and the main building was another separate building,&#13;
and that’s where they made a lot of the other stuff. The one where the lathe was was just a small,&#13;
standalone building. They were all separated, they weren’t adjoining in any way. All the&#13;
buildings except the one where the planer was and the one where the lathe was…those two were&#13;
block. The others were frame. Country-style, weatherboarding type, wood siding.&#13;
AW: So block would be, like, a cinder block?&#13;
TD: Right.&#13;
AW: Do you know why, if there was any motivation for building them that way? That’s just&#13;
how they were?&#13;
TD: Time, perhaps. I don’t know. I do know that, when I was younger, Hepner Brothers at Mt.&#13;
Jackson was a large maker of concrete cement blocks, and it’s possible that that was it. And the&#13;
lathe, where it was, it was a lot of shavings and all, and it was a possibility of sparks, you know,&#13;
if it would catch, you know, the building would go up pretty quick. So, the fact that it was block,&#13;
cinderblock, it was less apt to happen. And the fact that Hepner Brothers was available, and&#13;
made it easy to get the cinderblocks. That’s possibly why they did it. I never heard a reason&#13;
behind it, but those were the only ones that were not wood frame.&#13;
AW: And you said the Hepner family. I saw, we were walking around before you got here and&#13;
we saw that they’re everywhere back here. Is that a big family in the area?&#13;
TD: In the area, yes. Even now, the Hepners are still part of the church. I know that the first&#13;
person that was ever buried here at the church was buried in 1887, I believe, before the church&#13;
was completed. It was a young person that passed away, and their name was Hepner. And they&#13;
were buried at the very corner of the church out here. And then some members of the Hepners&#13;
have been part of the church forever. I can’t remember the actual founders of the church, I’m&#13;
sure there were some Hepners in there. In the main part of the church, we have a tree, and the&#13;
trunk of the tree are the founders. All of their names are on the trunk, and then all the members&#13;
are leaves on the tree. That’s from the beginning of the church, and my wife, she’s had a lot to&#13;
do with that. She tries to keep that up with baptisms and everything, church members. That&#13;
cemetery thing, she’s done, and she’s in the process now of getting a thing out in the churchyard&#13;
to show all the locations of all the graves and who’s there, so that people visiting, you know, can&#13;
see if they know the person’s name they can look at the listing and find it. The church had its&#13;
hundredth anniversary in 1987, and she did a church history, and she’s in the process of updating&#13;
that now, because that’s been a while. I know, when she and first got together, she was living in&#13;
Waynesboro and I was living in Roanoke, and I used to go to Waynesboro in the evenings, after&#13;
work, and we’d go to the library in Waynesboro, and she would get newspapers from this area&#13;
from the Library of Congress sent to Waynesboro library. And we’d go over to the library and&#13;
look through microfish at old newspapers, and get out old tidbits of history and things like that.&#13;
That was before we got married, and it was quite interesting to do that research because, in those&#13;
days, they published everything in the newspaper. You would almost call it a gossip column,&#13;
but, then, it wasn’t gossip; it was news (laughs). One article…my wife’s family, her great-&#13;
&#13;
�grandfather…in the newspaper, it said, “Anybody interested in any pigs? Mr. Lemmey’s old&#13;
sow had fourteen pigs,” or somethings like that (laughs). It was actually an article in the&#13;
newspaper about it. Anything was news back then. My kids pick on me all the time, “Dad,&#13;
when you were young, it wasn’t history. You were living it.”&#13;
AW: Well that’s part of the reason we’re here. Is to get those histories down, so that’s&#13;
awesome.&#13;
TD: I know that my wife used to go to my dad, when he was still alive, and talk to him, and he&#13;
would tell stories. Not untrue stories, usually, on purpose. She did a lot of writing, and all,&#13;
about things that he would tell her about. And then I had an uncle, he was the last living relative&#13;
from my grandmother’s ear. When my little girl was, she must have been a year, year and a half&#13;
old, we would go over to his house. Back then, VHS was the first media, and we would take the&#13;
VCR and set it up and just run it and let him talk. So, we have that. History has always been one&#13;
of my wife’s things that she’s really interested in, and we have a lot of newspaper articles and&#13;
different things like that that she collects and is interested in. The old hotel at Ortney, 1980s, it&#13;
was renovated. They actually, I don’t know if you all have been to the hotel at Ortney, but it’s a&#13;
pretty big building, and it four or five stories, the main building. Four or five stories tall, and&#13;
then the other building are only, maybe, like two or three stories tall. But that main building,&#13;
five stories, they jacked that whole thing up off the ground. You could see right through&#13;
underneath of it, all the foundation and everything, and they completely restored all the footers&#13;
and all the timbers and everything underneath of it. They renovated a lot of the inside and the&#13;
outside. And after they had it renovated, basically, they put black plastic over the whole building&#13;
and fumigated it. At night, you could drive by there, and there was a light upstairs in the top&#13;
floor. I don’t know what color it really was, but it shined blue through that black tarp. I don’t&#13;
know how many rolls of film I took of the hotel being renovated. Because I’d come up most&#13;
every weekend, because I was living in Roanoke, and I’d come up, and I’d take pictures of the&#13;
hotel as the process went on. After my wife and I got married, we started comparing pictures,&#13;
and she was doing the same thing.&#13;
AW: It was a sign.&#13;
TD: (laughs) So, we have a lot of pictures of the hotel being renovated. Around here, you don’t&#13;
talk about people, because you’re probably talking about my relatives. Or somebody’s relatives,&#13;
because it all gets linked back somehow or another. My wife and I were married, I think about&#13;
two years, and her mom gave her a collage for Christmas one year. It was a picture of her&#13;
mother’s mother’s mother, I believe it was. Anyhow, it was back several generations. The man&#13;
and woman were Mary and Chris Barb. And that was my wife’s mother’s mother’s mother. I&#13;
told my wife, I said, “I’ve seen that picture before.” And my granddad, he lived with us the last&#13;
few years he was alive. He was ninety-one when he passed away, and he had a suitcase that he&#13;
had pictures in. I went to that suitcase, and there is that picture of Mary and Chris Barb. Mary&#13;
and Chris were my grandfather’s mother’s mom and dad.&#13;
AW: Okay.&#13;
TD: So, my wife and I are third cousins or something like that, but had no idea. My wife made&#13;
thing that we take to family reunions all the time, and it’s a family tree type thing. They have my&#13;
family on one side and her family on the other one, and they start out with Mary and Chris Barb&#13;
(laughs).&#13;
AW: Not something you expected, huh?&#13;
&#13;
�TD: No, no, and we never even had any idea before. But that’s the way it was. I remember my&#13;
granddaddy’s mother…I remember her quite well. She was pretty old when I was younger, but&#13;
she and my wife’s mother’s mother were sisters. It’s fascinating.&#13;
AW: Is that something that happens a lot around here? In this are? Just because it’s so&#13;
enclosed?&#13;
TD: Small, today. Although…well, I was going to say that my wife and I aren’t related, but then&#13;
that’s true either, is it (laughs). What do they say, if you go back fifty generations, or something&#13;
like that, we’re all related? You might be my cousin.&#13;
AW: How would we know? (laughs)&#13;
TD: I lived in Salem, Virginia for a while, and I had a mailbox. I lived in an apartment, but we&#13;
had mailboxes around, and this girl came over to me one day, and she said, “How do you spell&#13;
your last name?” I told her, and she said, “Because that was my maiden name.” Come to find&#13;
out, she was from over in West Virginia, over around Mathias. Mathias, West Virginia is just on&#13;
the other side of the mountain. It’s only like five miles from where my home is over to Mathias,&#13;
but the mountain is in between us. There’s a lot of Delawders that lived on the mountain. My&#13;
family was on this side of the mountain, and hers was on the other side of the mountain. We&#13;
were probably third cousins or something like that, because my dad told me about her side of the&#13;
family, that the one guy had like thirteen kids. That wasn’t uncommon back when I was&#13;
younger, either. I know that my cousins…Dave Klein was one of ten. And then I think they had&#13;
at least one…it may have been more than ten in his family. But at least one died when they were&#13;
young. Wasn’t another uncommon thing, early deaths. I know my mom lost her brother when&#13;
he was just a young teenager, and one of the ladies that used to run the post office at Ortney,&#13;
when I was in my teens, I was around there, I worked at Ortney, and she used to call me by my&#13;
mother’s brother’s name. Because she knew him, and we were about the same age when he&#13;
passed away. And that’s all that she ever called me. I don’t know if she ever knew my real&#13;
name or not (laughs). It’s interesting things like that. I was born and raised around here, until I&#13;
was twenty. I went in the service, was drafted in 1964. Spent two years in Arizona, and I got&#13;
out of the service and came back here and worked for Shantel for about a year. Fifth of&#13;
December, 1966, I was up on a telephone pole, and it was about thirty degrees, and the wind was&#13;
a-blowing, and it was snowing. I haven’t been up a telephone pole since. I went to Maryland&#13;
and got a job as a dispatcher for Maryland State Police, University of Maryland Campus Police.&#13;
I worked for them for a couple of years, and then I went to work for IBM, fixing computers.&#13;
Never saw a computer. Back in those days, not very many people had seen computers. But it&#13;
wasn’t just computers. Equipment, keypad punch and things like that, monitors, different kinds&#13;
of displays and stuff. Worked for them for thirty-four years. Transferred from Maryland to&#13;
Arizona, spent three years in Phoenix, then moved back to Roanoke, Virginia, lived there fifteen,&#13;
eighteen years, then, in 1989, transferred back up here so that our kids could go to the same&#13;
school we did when we were kids, because we both went to Stonewall. Stonewall Jackson High&#13;
School, Mount Jackson. When we first moved up here, our kids had multiple grandparents that&#13;
were still alive. That’s something that we felt was important, that kids know family. My&#13;
grandfather, he was ninety-one when he passed away, and my son was about one and a half, two.&#13;
Whenever my son would come into the room and Pappy, by grandfather, would see him, the two&#13;
of them, both of them’s faces would just light up. Pappy couldn’t hear very well, and my son&#13;
couldn’t talk very well, but the two of them had a wonderful relationship. We didn’t realize how&#13;
much young kids can remember until my son was three, and he was ring-bearer at my brother-inlaw’s wedding. His wife’s grandfather was there, and my son went up to him and said, “You&#13;
&#13;
�remind me of Pappy. I’m going to call you Pappy.” And that’s what he did. He was only a year&#13;
and a half old, maybe, when Pappy passed away, but he did remember. People used to pick on&#13;
us, my wife and I, because our kids, when they were teenagers, they’re now twenty-seven and&#13;
thirty, but when they were teenagers, in their early teens, had seen forty-eight states.&#13;
AW: Really? Wow.&#13;
TD: And my wife and I have seen fifty. Not when we were teenagers, but we used to do things&#13;
like…we’d go to the zoo in D.C. when they were little. People would say, “Why?” Hey, they&#13;
remember. And they enjoy seeing the critters as much as anybody, so why not? My son, he was&#13;
five when we went out west, and we went to Mount St. Helens. He still remembers Mount St.&#13;
Helens because…that was 1980s when it exploded, and we were there in ’95. The place was still&#13;
desolate. I mean every tree was just gone. The rivers were running murky grey because of the&#13;
ash. We bought a salt and pepper shaker, and it was the top of Mount St. Helens. They took and&#13;
split it, one half salt and one half pepper, and it fit in the cone that was left. He still remembers&#13;
Mount St. Helens “blew its top.” He was more fascinated with Mount St. Helens than he was&#13;
with the Grand Canyon.&#13;
AW: Really?&#13;
TD: Saguaro cactus interests the kids as much as the Grand Canyon did. They used to have a&#13;
name for the saguaros, but I don’t remember what they called ‘em now. Actually, there’s aa&#13;
national forest out in Arizona, Saguaro National Forest. Cactus national forest. The cactus is,&#13;
well, it’s wood inside, so I guess it is a tree of sorts. You don’t want to hug it, though. (laughs).&#13;
AW: Probably not.&#13;
TD: I was helping a guy…he built a house out there when I lived in Phoenix, and there was a&#13;
pretty big saguaro cactus right at the corner of his house. He left it there on purpose. This one&#13;
boy who was working with us, he was from Boston, and he had just moved to Arizona. He&#13;
wasn’t used to the Saguaro cactus. We were working on the house, and he leaned up against the&#13;
saguaro. (laughs)&#13;
AW: Probably didn’t do it twice.&#13;
TD: No, he didn’t do it twice. Yeah, they can be very prickly. We used to have a cactus…my&#13;
wife had one that was a house plant-type cactus. I don’t know what kind it was, but I know it&#13;
had a lot of little needles on it, and my son would put his hand on it, and I mean it just filled his&#13;
hand with spines. My wife took Elmer’s Glue, and put it on his hand where the needles were,&#13;
and let it set up. When she peeled it off, a lot of the spines came out. She had to repeat it a&#13;
couple times. She actually put the article in “Dear Abby,” and it was published. But they didn’t&#13;
use Elmer’s Glue, they said “a well-known glue.” Some of the cactus out there, like the cholla,&#13;
jumping cactus, you could just walk past it and it would shoot needles at you.&#13;
AW: I’ve never even heard of that.&#13;
TD: Yeah, it’s real.&#13;
AW: Maybe they don’t publicize that one.&#13;
TD: Possibly not. (laughs) I enjoyed Arizona, but, in the summer time, one hundred-seventeen&#13;
was just too hot. They say “it’s a different heat.” Yeah, hot. It’s just like opening an oven door,&#13;
you know, when that heat hits you in the face. I like it around here where we have seasons.&#13;
Although, I’d prefer it not to be quite so cold. Especially now, my circulation is not so good, my&#13;
hands are always cold. But, then, that means I’ve got a warm heart, so.&#13;
AW: I’m sure your family would agree.&#13;
TD: Well, most of ‘em. My son tells me I’m older than dirt. My wife and I both enjoy living&#13;
around here. It’s home. We’ve been, like I said, we’ve been in fifty states, and the only state&#13;
&#13;
�that we even considered was Oregon. And it guess it’s because of the mountains and the trees&#13;
and stuff in Oregon. But Virginia is home, the mountains are home. I’ve lived in Phoenix, I’ve&#13;
lived in Maryland, I’ve lived in Basye. I’ll die in Basye.&#13;
AW: We did some reading about Bird Haven before we were going to conduct the interviews&#13;
and everything, and one of the articles we had was talking about how the workers there had a&#13;
very strong feeling about being in this community and having the role of nature around them.&#13;
Did you ever run into that with them? Or do you remember hearing about that? Because we&#13;
don’t know where that information is coming from, we just have that impression of it.&#13;
TD: From the time I was a boy, Bird Haven, to me, was a sanctuary for birds. I mean, that’s the&#13;
perception that I had. It’s rural, and I would say that was one of the things, is the people, and the&#13;
pride in the community. I don’t know that it’s as strong today as it was then, but it’s obvious that&#13;
it’s still there. With the ski resort and everything, that’s changed the community. When I was a&#13;
boy growing up, there were sixty families that lived in Basye. I knew every one of them. I don’t&#13;
know if I know sixty families today. I probably do, but there’s a lot more than that. The pride’s&#13;
still there. Been called a hillbilly. And that’s okay. They…my brother does landscaping, he&#13;
does tree removal and trimming and stuff like that as well, and he plants flowers and bushes and&#13;
trees, whatever. Sells wood. People call him about doing stuff, and he’ll put them down on his&#13;
list, and people say that he’s on “mountain time.” “When I get around to it.” (laughs) A lot of&#13;
times, that’s kind of the way things are. It used to be that you didn’t interfere with his hunting&#13;
season. That was more important than planting a tree. But he does good work, and people are&#13;
willing to wait for him, and he’s reasonable so…Yeah, I’m one of six. I have cousins that were&#13;
six, seven, eight in the family. I’ve got two kids right now, that’s more of the family size today&#13;
than six. Of course, back then, you didn’t worry where you were going to get the money to feed&#13;
them. We grew most everything we used, around here anyway. We still can vegetables in the&#13;
summertime. My dad always had a big garden, and he sold vegetables. A lot of people knew my&#13;
dad from the vegetables. My daughter, she worked for the radio station in Winchester, and she&#13;
would visit different companies around here in the valley. She was always running into&#13;
somebody that knew the family. That’s what makes it worth living around here. I went to&#13;
Madison College, 1962-63, so I lived in Harrisonburg. I’d rather live back here on the hill. I’ve&#13;
lived in cities. I’d rather live back here on the hill. When we first moved up here, we sold a&#13;
place down in Franklin County, Virginia, near Roanoke. We had five acres. Stream ran through&#13;
the back of the property, and we had a three-bedroom brick ranch, full basement. That’s what I&#13;
was looking for up here. Forty-thousand dollars more, I might have been able to get something&#13;
near that. But not five acres, and not brick ranch. I told my wife, “I want a brick ranch, five&#13;
acres. I want to be able to see Basye and the hotel at Ortney. I can see the hotel at Ortney.&#13;
Can’t see Basye, don’t have five acres, but I like it where we are. I do see the hotel at Ortney,&#13;
especially this time of year, when the leaves are off the trees. I say this is where I’ll be until I’m&#13;
out here (gestures to cemetery behind church). My wife and I have a plot out here in the&#13;
graveyard, so I’ll always live in the mountains. Bird Haven, to me, was always a bird sanctuary&#13;
type of thing, you know. I don’t know how it got its name, “Bird Haven,” although there are a&#13;
lot of wild birds around. But I don’t know of a reason for it. There’s a lot of history that goes&#13;
along Ortney Springs Hotel. Part of it was used as a hospital during the Civil War. Some people&#13;
think it was an R&amp;R during the war. Shenandoah Allum Springs Hotel, it’s no longer in&#13;
existence, it’s another one that was similar to Ortney. They advertised the healing effects of the&#13;
water. Allums, Shenandoah Allum Springs was allum water. There were three springs right in a&#13;
row, and each one was a different strength of allum. And, if you’ve ever had allum in your&#13;
&#13;
�mouth, it makes you pucker. I never drank any of the water, they say that’s what it did to you.&#13;
The old iron furnace, there at the allum, Henrietta furnace, it burnt, I believe, in the 1850s. They&#13;
were smelting iron, and there was a big chunk of iron that came out of the furnace and, according&#13;
to the stories my dad told me, they…it was there on the ground, they dug a hole, was able to roll&#13;
it into the hole and then covered it up. And there’s a couple of places where it still sticks out of&#13;
the ground, down along the edge of the creek. As a boy, used to have dealings with the hotel&#13;
there, the old hotel. My dad had worked there when he was younger, and the fields around there&#13;
are filled with sled from the old furnace. It looks like glass, obsidian. Different colors, black&#13;
and blue, and my wife and I have done some exploring around different furnaces. Depending on&#13;
the type of ground in the areas they mined the ore, what kind of rock came out of it, different&#13;
colors…green and orange and all. I know that, as a kid, we used to look for the different colors&#13;
of rock, or glass, or whatever it is. I’ve got rocks at my house from all over the U.S. You can’t&#13;
collect rocks in the National Park, but you can pick it up along the lakes and stuff like that&#13;
because they’re private land. Interesting thing about this area is the shale around here, lot of&#13;
fossils, and, as a boy, we used to dig in the banks and find all these fossils of critters. We had no&#13;
idea what they were. Of course, what are they, three million years old or something like that?&#13;
When I went to JMU, I took a class in geology that as fascinating, and there’s a hill between here&#13;
and Mt. Jackson called Third Hill. Stands out in the middle of an area, it’s cone shaped.&#13;
Volcanic. At least that’s what the professor at JMU told me. (laughs)&#13;
AW: Well, and we always believe the professors, right?&#13;
TD: Yeah, yup. (laughs)&#13;
AW: I think that might be a good place to end it, for my professor. He’ll like hearing that right&#13;
at the end. Because we have to go and do his interview too, but thank you so much, I really&#13;
appreciate you sharing your story.&#13;
TD: You’re welcome. I wish I had more to give you on the things at Bird Haven.&#13;
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                    <text>David Cline Bird Haven Transcription&#13;
Interviewer- Anthony Green (AG)&#13;
Narrator- David Cline (DC)&#13;
David Cline Jr. (DCJ)&#13;
Alex Whitehurst (AW)&#13;
AG: We are here today on this 23rd day of March 2017. I’m conducting this interview with Mr.&#13;
David Cline, about Bird Haven, Virginia and his experience there. Thank you for taking your&#13;
time to do this interview with us.&#13;
DC: You’re more than welcome. I forgot more than I probably remember, but I’m getting old&#13;
and had cancer and all that stuff so. Alright go ahead.&#13;
AG: What is your tie to Bird Haven?&#13;
DC: Well my grandfather worked in the blacksmith shop. My mother worked in the finish&#13;
department, and I would go down with my grandfather to turn the blower to keep the fire going.&#13;
They had a post office there and the mail carrier would come from Mathias, West Virginia over&#13;
there. Come across the old dirt road and then he would come to the Bird Have post office and&#13;
then he would go to the Basye post office. Well I’ve lived here on this property; I was born here.&#13;
My address changed three times and I never moved. It was Alum Spring, Shenandoah Alum&#13;
Springs. They had a big hotel there, a three-story hotel. When that burned then they moved the&#13;
post office to Bird Haven. Well then, I think, in 1952 or 53 they closed the Bird Haven post&#13;
office and moved it to Basye. So, my address changed three times and I didn’t move. I was part&#13;
owner of Bird Haven from 2000 to 2010. About twelve years probably. And we were going to&#13;
&#13;
�develop it and then the economy got so bad that we couldn’t sell lots and stuff so we had to sell&#13;
it. I never worked there. I know a lot of people that did, but most of the people that worked there&#13;
have passed away.&#13;
AG: You said your grandfather worked in the blacksmithing shop, a lot of the stuff was made out&#13;
of wood, so what all would his job have been there?&#13;
DC: Well he worked for other people. If they wanted some nails made, back then they had cut&#13;
nails. He also made ax handles, hatchet handles, he made hammers, he made hatchets, just&#13;
anything. A lot of things in the shops down there was metal and if something would break then&#13;
he would have to make a new piece. He did stuff like that. If someone wanted to come in and&#13;
wanted some [pieces] sharpened or made, he would do that.&#13;
AG: And you said your mom worked in the toy shop?&#13;
DC: She worked in the finishing department, but I cannot tell you much about it.&#13;
AG: Do you have any memory of being where the work was happening, and seeing what they&#13;
were doing? Or did you ever enter the shops?&#13;
DC: Oh yeah, I used to enter the shops when I’d go down there. We’d walked straight through&#13;
the woods here, it’s only about half a mile. We walked straight through the woods to get to&#13;
where they worked.&#13;
AG: When that was occurring did you guys watch any of the work being done? Or did you guys&#13;
just hang out?&#13;
DC: Oh yeah, there was one little building there that two people worked in, two men worked in,&#13;
that was real interesting. They always had a big pile of shavings between them. But they cut out&#13;
&#13;
�the bowls, but they wouldn’t do any finish work in that building they just cut the rough bowls,&#13;
and spoons and, stuff like that. And then it would go to another division where they finished&#13;
them.&#13;
AG: When you were a kid did you play with any of the toys that were made there?&#13;
DC: Oh yeah, Oh yeah. I don’t have them; I wish I did. Yeah, I wish did.&#13;
AG: What toys did you play with that were made there?&#13;
DC: I don’t know. Birds, bird houses, and stuff like that. It’s been so long that I can’t remember.&#13;
AG: You have a lot of the pieces made at Bird Haven. Is there one that is your favorite?&#13;
DC: It’s my wife’s favorite, all of them. She likes them all, yeah she likes them all. I wish I could&#13;
have of gotten more. There was a lot more there that was carried off. But the Carr’s bought it&#13;
when it went up (for sale). What year did they buy it David? Do you remember?&#13;
DCJ: 2014… 13.&#13;
DC: 13, they have had it more than four years.&#13;
DCJ: I don’t believe.&#13;
DC: Yeah they have too. But anyhow, they bought it. Tore the house down, the old house. Which&#13;
was in good condition. But it wasn’t good enough for them. So, they tore that down and had a&#13;
million-dollar house built. And they tore the old post office down, and put it back like it was.&#13;
And they fixed up all the buildings just about. They haven’t done anything to the blacksmith&#13;
shop yet. But it’s still there. No, they tore one building down. That’s all they tore down. The rest&#13;
of the buildings are still there. And they say they are going to remodel all the old homesteads&#13;
there too. When it was just Bird Haven, it was three other pieces of property there that didn’t&#13;
&#13;
�belong to Bird Haven. But people lived there. The old houses are still there the barn is still there.&#13;
My uncle bought what was called the Lloyd Barb place. Him and his son bought that and they&#13;
raised cattle. I used to milk cows in the barn there. And then after Mr. and Mrs. Clark sold it&#13;
Colonel Hamm. Let me think about this. I have to think about this. Well anyhow my uncle&#13;
bought the Lloyd Barb place in which his son lived there. And then after Colonel Hamm bought&#13;
Bird Haven off of the Clarks, my uncle sold the Lloyd and Barb place to Colonel Hamm. Then&#13;
there was another place on down through the woods from there that Theodore Barb lived. And he&#13;
sold his to Colonel Hamm. That’s the way it got so much land to Bird Haven. Bird Haven wasn’t&#13;
that big when it was running. After they bought all these other three properties that’s what made&#13;
the seven hundred some acres.&#13;
AG: You talked about how you purchased Bird Haven, or purchased stock in Bird Haven. Did&#13;
you do that because of your tie to the area?&#13;
DC: I did it because my wife couldn’t talk me out of it? She was really against it. She told me I&#13;
was going to lose you know. But the company that she was working for was the one that owned&#13;
it. Which owned Chalet High timeshare. It’s the same man that owned the Mimslyn inn in Luray,&#13;
but he lost that too. I just thought it was a way to make some money. I mean if everything would&#13;
have worked like we had planned out. Each one of us would have gotten our money back four or&#13;
five times, but it wasn’t handled right and they wasted the money. Everyone lost but them.&#13;
Because we sold sixteen lots there and eight lots across from the airport. We sold 47 acres across&#13;
the road for $300,000. We lost; it all went some place but we never could figure it out. I think&#13;
they had two or three sets of books.&#13;
AG: Do you remember hold you were when Bird Haven closed?&#13;
&#13;
�DC: I was born in 42 and I think it closed about 55 or 56. I was about… It was mighty close a&#13;
little before then. I think the post office moved in 52. The reason they had the post office there&#13;
they shipped a lot of packages from there.&#13;
AG: Do you remember what it was like? The atmosphere was and what the mood was when it&#13;
closed? Of all the workers that were there?&#13;
DC: When they closed there wasn’t but a few people there. I would say it wasn’t over probably a&#13;
dozen people when it closed. I mean the business just went off and people wasn’t buying wooden&#13;
stuff then. They was buying metal stuff. That’s one reason they went out of business, no one to&#13;
buy it.&#13;
AG: And the Shenandoah worker’s community seemed like it would have been a tight knit&#13;
community, especially in such a small area. Was that true?&#13;
DC: Now what was the question?&#13;
AG: So, the area is such a small area. The Shenandoah worker’s community seemed like it&#13;
would have been a lot of people close together. Is that how it was?&#13;
DC: It just sound, well you read that and you can really…it tells you a lot in there how it was&#13;
formed. It’s been so long I don’t remember all of it.&#13;
AG: So, you spent your whole life in this area?&#13;
DC: Lived on this property all my life, except I was in the service for years. When I first got&#13;
married we lived away from here about three years. Other than that, I’ve been living right here.&#13;
AG: In the service where were you stationed?&#13;
&#13;
�DC: I was stationed, well I took my basic at Fort Jackson, South Carolina and then I went to Fort&#13;
Carson, Colorado. And then I went from there to Germany for two years. I was in missiles. The&#13;
Redstone missile, the missile that put the first man on the moon. They flew us from Frankfurt,&#13;
Germany to White Sands, New Mexico to part, we were down there six weeks. We went back to&#13;
Germany. They deactivated the Redstone brought it back to the states. Put it in mothballs and&#13;
sent it to Persia over there. I helped fire it the last time it was fired, the Redstone missile. Quite&#13;
the scene.&#13;
AG: Once you were done with your military service, was there anything that brought you back to&#13;
this area?&#13;
DC: I was just from here. I never. I came back and worked at a poultry plant from awhile.&#13;
Worked over at FMC in Front Royal for about two years. Then I went to Blue Ridge Truss which&#13;
is closed now. Out here at Basye, between Basye and Orkney. Worked there for 40 years. That’s&#13;
the reason I’m in this area. I was the production manager there for 32 years at Blue Ridge.&#13;
AG: What was the experience like working there?&#13;
DC: We built roof trusses, floor trusses, wall panels. Built houses, we built 50 couple houses on&#13;
Bryce mountain when it first opened. My son worked for him for 17 years?&#13;
DCJ: 18&#13;
DC: 18. Had a lot of people. I remember one time when it was as many as 200 people working&#13;
there. Now it’s closed. The gentleman that owned it…started it. He was retired for the&#13;
government. He was a federal marshal. After he passed away his wife…well I won’t go any&#13;
further.&#13;
&#13;
�AG: Does it give you a sense of pride knowing that you helped build a lot of things around here?&#13;
DC: I helped. About all the houses around here, we furnished the roof trusses. I built this house&#13;
myself. I built it in 76. I moved in in 76. But then I built those two rooms. I forgot… probably 15&#13;
years later. Maybe a little longer. I done most of it myself.&#13;
AG: Do you know how many houses in this area you helped build?&#13;
DC: I don’t know. I know for probably between 15 and 20 years before Mr. Fansler passed away,&#13;
we was shipping over a million and a half dollars a month in product. So, just about every house&#13;
around here. He started the business in 60… I think the same year that Bryce Mountain started,&#13;
65 or 66.&#13;
AG: Teddy told us a story about how some of the boys would go to where they stored toys in a&#13;
building when they hadn’t sold them. Do you remember those buildings being on the property?&#13;
DC: Yep, they’re not there anymore. If they make more than they would sell. One great big&#13;
building, a three-story building. That has been remodeled and everything. You ought to ride&#13;
down on your way. I don’t know, the gate probably be closed. I think they leave about four. If&#13;
you do go down, when you get to where the house and things is, you can see house over to the&#13;
left. You go on around to the right and the office is a two-story building on the right. What’s his&#13;
name? Chris. Chris is his first name. He is the manager. You see they use my property. I’ve got a&#13;
road that runs all the way down through here. It’s on me they use that. And back when Colonel&#13;
Hamm bought the Lloyd Barb place, he bought a right away between me and this other&#13;
subdivision. Bird Haven has got a right away up through there. But I told him instead of cutting&#13;
them trees and stuff just use my road. Because there is enough dust down one dirt road, instead&#13;
of having two dirt roads right there. I got to wipe my eyes. Since I took those treatments, my&#13;
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�eyes water all the time. The treatment done something to my heart, I don’t know what yet. I&#13;
reckon they fix one thing and mess something else up.&#13;
AG: On the property, I know there was a lot of woodworking. Do you remember anything else&#13;
about the property? What the surroundings were like? Since it was a bird sanctuary.&#13;
DC: No, Teddy’s daddy used to tap the sugar trees. Some of them on the property. Back years&#13;
ago. And cook it down and make maple syrup. My uncle farmed what was known as the Lloyd&#13;
Barb place when he owned. In a matter of fact, his grandson was disking the field down there&#13;
with the tractor one time and he made a turn and the tractor come on back on top of the disk. But&#13;
he didn’t get hurt at all. The disk kept him from getting hurt. The front end of the tractor come&#13;
back and hit the disk. It was one of those pickup disks. And he didn’t get hurt at all. Yeah, I use&#13;
to milk cows down there in that barn. That has before it was Bird Haven.&#13;
AG: You milked cows. Were there any other animals on the farm?&#13;
DC: They raised cattle. Now the Carrs raised a lot of hogs when they first bought it. Hogs,&#13;
chickens, ducks, and sheep. But they don’t have anything now.&#13;
AG: Did you work with any other animals other than the cows?&#13;
DC: Chickens. Teddy’s daddy was a chicken farmer, he pulled a lot of people that owned the&#13;
hotel at Orkney. Built nine chicken houses. Teddy’s daddy was the overseer. I reckon he told you&#13;
that didn’t he? No. Yeah, he was the overseer. I was living in that old house. Me and Teddy&#13;
would ride with him up there every morning. In the winter time there would be frost on the&#13;
windshield. He would take his hand and put it on the windshield and get one spot that he could&#13;
see through, and that’s what it would look like when he picked me up out here. Never would&#13;
clean the frost off of it. He would just take his and one spot on the windshield he could see&#13;
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days ago.” Well, back then a gallon in gas in them old vehicles went a long ways. His daddy was&#13;
something. He had his hip replaced. He couldn’t hardly walk, but he could really get upset oftly&#13;
quick. And we could make him upset oftly quick. Is someone going to talk to Teddy’s brother,&#13;
Curtis?&#13;
AG: I’m not sure about that. We were just given one person each, that’s all I know.&#13;
DC: Yeah, someone talked to Richard. There’s an old lady down in Jerome. I don’t know. Betty&#13;
Funkhouser, Mike’s mother. I don’t know if she ever worked at Bryce’s or not. She is about 83&#13;
or 84. I can’t remember if she worked down at Bird Haven or not when it was going. But just&#13;
about everyone around that worked there are gone. I don’t know of anyone that worked there that&#13;
is still living.&#13;
AG: Do you remember playing on the site at all? Teddy had mentioned…I believe he said you&#13;
and some other of the boys would take boats and put them in the creeks and rivers.&#13;
DC: Them little wooden boats. Yeah. And then we had a way off from the old big house we had&#13;
a swimming hole. It was pretty deep… it was probably five feet deep where we would go&#13;
swimming in the summer time. Yeah, we played in the creek with them wooden boats and toys. I&#13;
tell you it’s been so long ago. I forget.&#13;
AG: You said there were only twelve people working by the time the …&#13;
DC: I don’t really know if it was that many&#13;
AG: Do you remember when the production started to decline? And why? Other than the lack of&#13;
demand.&#13;
&#13;
�DC: It must have been in the 40’s. I don’t know exactly when it started. I think it was in the 20’s,&#13;
it might have been in the teens. And I don’t know if that paper says it or not. I don’t believe it&#13;
does. I don’t see any dates on here except this 1930 up here. It says that had as many as 40&#13;
varieties of birds down there. I don’t see anything. It doesn’t says is how long it was there or&#13;
when it was started.&#13;
AG: You mentioned your wife was interested in collecting these. How big is you all’s collection&#13;
from Bird Haven?&#13;
DC: This is about it, because you never see it for sale. And I guess a piece wood, people just&#13;
threw it away. Now back right after the Carrs bough it, they had a sale in Edinberg with a bunch&#13;
of stuff for sale from Bird Haven. But, they run everything up so high that I couldn’t afford to&#13;
buy it. They’re billionaires.&#13;
AG: I know a lot of these pieces are collectible. Is there any pieces that you remember being&#13;
made that you would like to see at some point?&#13;
DC: I got one bowl out here my wife really likes. Let me go get it. I think she likes that as well&#13;
as she does any others.&#13;
AG: That is an interesting looking bowl.&#13;
DC: Yep. I think it’s made out of one piece of wood. They used a lot of bandsaw blades.&#13;
AG: And probably a lathe.&#13;
DC: It must be white oak, I guess. I wouldn’t have any clue. But they used a lot of walnut.&#13;
There’s some walnut trees down there. They were this big around when I was a kid. I used to&#13;
pick up walnuts under them. You can imagine what they are now. Right in front of where the old&#13;
&#13;
�house was. I used to go down there and pick up the walnuts over the summer. Of course, back&#13;
then you almost had to give them away because there was so many walnut trees around. Now&#13;
you can’t hardly find any walnut trees. There’s a butternut walnut tree down there. It’s the only&#13;
one I know of around here. Instead of a round walnut it’s round and it’s about this long it’s about&#13;
that big around. It’s called butternut walnut. But here’s a time card. Francis Barb. There she&#13;
worked 5, 8, 9, 10, 19, 20 hours, $1.25. There’s one, this one got $2.50 for 10 hours. I just found&#13;
this stuff laying around on the floor down there. This one night watch, guard the boiler. Eleven&#13;
hours, $2.75. Gilbert Barb, that was Richard’s, the man that those two ladies talked to Sunday,&#13;
Gilbert was his uncle. Let’s see is this Irene Anderson, I don’t know who she is. And here’s&#13;
some of the stuff out of the post office. This is another Irene Anderson. Five hours, it don’t say&#13;
how much she got…0h there it is $0.63. It’s really interesting to just walk around and pick…&#13;
Most of this stuff came out of the old post office. Here’s some of those pictures and some of the&#13;
cards they sent out to people. One cent post card. These here…like this man here he sent this&#13;
card back and said “Dear Bernie” which is Mr. Clark, everyone called him Bernie. “Polly and I&#13;
have been going over our needs here and are wondering if you could send us samples of the&#13;
mahogany, black walnut, and yellow post bed. Then he says “Also on the chest of drawers, could&#13;
you substitute a smaller oval hardware and call you made.” I don’t know I can’t hardly read part&#13;
of it. But these cards here are like this one sent back “We are ordering for the salad set. Please&#13;
send some of these wooden pieces to 28207209 people are asking for them. Thanking of you.”&#13;
They must have had a store in East Albright, New Jersey. And they was ordering this wooden&#13;
stuff to sell in their store. Here’s one that says “Gentleman please advise us when you will ship&#13;
our last order.” This was (19)38. This is interesting stuff. And let’s see. Here is one of their sales&#13;
papers.&#13;
&#13;
�AG: When you were walking through Bird Haven was there any particular reason you picked all&#13;
this stuff up?&#13;
DC: Just about every day I’d go down I’d just see something laying and I’d pick it up. That was&#13;
after I spent all that money for nothing. Must be a picnic bench I guess there. If I’d see&#13;
something laying I’d pick it up. And I wish I’d have picked more up.&#13;
AG: How often do you go through these things and just look at them and reflect?&#13;
DC: I looked at them a couple weeks ago. I have some phone books from 1952, but I don’t know&#13;
where I put them. I put them some place and I don’t know where they’re at. I’ll have to look for&#13;
them one day. I wanted to show you this. This is 1916. It’s the price list for 1923 for copper&#13;
tubing.&#13;
AG: And this was found at Bird Haven?&#13;
DC: Yep. Everything laying here was found at Bird Haven. But this… you wouldn’t see that&#13;
mailed through the mail today would you?&#13;
AG: You would not?&#13;
DC: with Putin’s picture on it. I found this. I guess they had Blue Cross and Blue Shield. Look at&#13;
the prices in that. I couldn’t find no date on it.&#13;
AG: It’s a lot cheaper than it is now.&#13;
DC: Holy smokes. It’s like in 1958, I was in the hospital 29 days with pneumonia. And my&#13;
hospital bill and doctor bill were $600 for 29 days. Now it would be $600 for half a day…or&#13;
more. Because my cancer treatments was $15,000 apiece. It’s unreal. Let’s see if I have got&#13;
&#13;
�anything else I want to show you. You want to read that. I wish I had another copy. I would let&#13;
you have it, but that is the only copy I’ve got.&#13;
AG: You said your property butts up to the woods, or that you could walk through the woods to&#13;
get to Bird Haven.&#13;
DC: Bird Haven. Oh, yeah. Right out here. There used to be a path down through there. They&#13;
made a road out of it now. It came out down at Bird Haven.&#13;
AG: I could imagine since everything is so close that the trees were a lot similar to those on the&#13;
Bird Haven property.&#13;
DC: Well they didn’t cut all of it on Bird Haven. Because it wouldn’t have been enough&#13;
property. They had to have some of this maple and black walnut. They must of bought some of&#13;
that some place else.&#13;
AG: Do you know where they bought it?&#13;
DC: No I don’t. It’s like I say. I was born in 42 and it probably closed in 50…I think 55. I&#13;
wouldn’t have been very old.&#13;
AG: Did your mom or your grandfather work there while you were alive? Or was it before?&#13;
DC: Yeah. I used to turn the blower for my grandfather down in the blacksmith shop. I&#13;
remember he made axe handles, and hammer handles, and hatchet handles with a draw knife.&#13;
AG: Did he teach you any of those skills while you were there?&#13;
DC: No. We’re talking 40’s and 50’s. In the 60’s no one bought stuff like that. You went to the&#13;
store and bought it. Back in the 40’s and 30’s you had someone to make it for you for maybe&#13;
$0.25. He always sat out on the porch and made those handles out of hickory. He’d cut the trees&#13;
&#13;
�in the woods and let it dry. Then he would make the handles. I thought of something else a while&#13;
ago, but now I can’t think of what I wanted to say.&#13;
AG: There is a lot of history in this area. Other than Bird Haven what were some of the other&#13;
major manufacturing jobs that you know of?&#13;
DC: Well that had the old iron furnaces. Where they got the ore out of the ground dragged out&#13;
here to Alum Springs. You probably saw it when you come by. Well the old furnace is there.&#13;
And then to left of it as you are looking at it. It’s more stone it comes out here but it’s not as high&#13;
as the furnace. Well, Teddy’s daddy used to have a beer joint there. And he sold some bread,&#13;
eggs, and stuff like that. But he had the beer joint downstairs, and he raised chickens upstairs.&#13;
Couldn’t do that today. I can remember an old man used to come in there and sit down, and&#13;
Elmer would poor him a beer and he’d break an egg in it for him. Beer and egg. Elmer used to&#13;
suck them eggs, Teddy’s daddy. He’d just punch a hole in the end of it, and suck the egg out of&#13;
it. We found a nest down here, he lived down the road here a little ways from me. Found a&#13;
chicken nest, had nine eggs in it. Elmer sucked three or four of them, and we took the rest to the&#13;
house and all the rest of them was rotten. He was probably sucking rotten egg. Now if you have&#13;
ever smelled rotten egg, I don’t know how he could stand it. Him and I used to make some white&#13;
lightening. We’d tap these sugar trees, and we’d cook it down. And we’d use that instead of&#13;
water, you got more white lightening out of it. And if you want to make brandy you don’t put&#13;
sugar in it. And if you got a 50 gallon barrel of mash with no sugar in it just apples, corn,&#13;
whatever you wanted to put in it, you only got about three and a half gallons out of it… maybe&#13;
three gallons. Well if you put 100 pounds of sugar in it you got thirteen gallons out of it. Ten&#13;
pounds of sugar make a gallon of white lightening. I used to do a little stuff. Where’s this going?&#13;
Just the class?&#13;
&#13;
�AG: It’s going to the Shenandoah library.&#13;
DC: In Edinburg?&#13;
AW: Shenandoah County Library.&#13;
DC: Who do you know that works down there?&#13;
AW: We don’t have contact with them. We have it with our professor, who has been talking to&#13;
them.&#13;
DC: What’s his name? What is your professors name?&#13;
AG: Dr. Friss. Evan Friss.&#13;
DC: It’s someone that works at the library, that I know, that’s doing this. I saw him down at Bird&#13;
Haven. I mean it don’t make a difference, that’s in the past. Elmer and I used to do that, and it a&#13;
wonder we didn’t get blown up. Because Elmer had laying chicken, and this man on Bryce&#13;
mountain, the one that invented the seat belt, come by here and talked to Elmer about taking that&#13;
chicken litter and making methane gas out of it. Well we dug a hole in the ground and put a roof&#13;
over it. And we set this chicken litter in 55 gallon barrels down in this pit. And that chicken litter&#13;
would make methane gas. But you can’t see it, smell it, or nothing. We would use that to cook&#13;
our white lightening with. I can’t think of that man’s name, but he invented the seatbelt. His&#13;
wife, I think, still lives on Bryce Mountain. He passed away, but I can’t think of his name. Yeah,&#13;
I had an interesting life.&#13;
AG: You said your wife was the one that mainly wanted to collect these things?&#13;
DC: All of this stuff here, 95 percent of it… I bought this at a sale. The rest of this stuff I got at&#13;
Bird Haven.&#13;
&#13;
�AG: Is your wife from this area too?&#13;
DC: Yeah, she’s from Jerome. Which is about five miles on down the road. Yeah, she’s working&#13;
now. Got to keep her away. No, most of this came right from Bird Haven.&#13;
AG: So, it’s just leftovers that were never sold?&#13;
DC: All of this came out of the shipping building. I got lucky I even got it because people was&#13;
going in and taking stuff. Wasn’t no locks on the doors. Just lucky to get it. Trying to think of&#13;
some other stuff, but I don’t know.&#13;
AG: When you bought stake into the property, how many of the original buildings were there?&#13;
DC: Oh, everything was there, but a lot of the buildings were ready to fall down.&#13;
AG: The people you grew up with around Bird Haven, do you still communicate with them? Do&#13;
you all ever talk about Bird Haven and what it was like?&#13;
DC: Mr. Alexander, the one that bought it, he’s passed away. I talk to some of the other people&#13;
that bought in yeah.&#13;
AG: What about the kids you grew up with on Bird Haven? Like Teddy and all of them.&#13;
DC: Oh, yeah. I seem them all the time.&#13;
AG: Do you ever reminisce about Bird Haven?&#13;
DC: Sometimes, Teddy he don’t like to talk like his daddy. And I don’t like to talk much either.&#13;
Really, Teddy didn’t go down to Bird Haven, that I remember, much but he didn’t have any&#13;
working down there. I mean close. Like I say my mother named my oldest brother, he’s passed&#13;
away now. Mr. Clark, Bernard was his middle name, so mother named my brother Leroy&#13;
&#13;
�Bernard. I’m not too sure, but I think my mother might have worked in their house a lot of times&#13;
instead of working in the factory. I just can’t remember. They had a man that lived with them, a&#13;
boy. He’s passed away now, but he was a lawyer. And he lived there with them. And I just can’t&#13;
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